Sunday, November 30, 2008

Easy come, Hard go.

Buff just left to start her trek back to Cafilornia. [waving] By Buffie! [sniff][sniff]. I'm mad at Chad and Buff. Invite them to play settlers with us and Chad wins twice and Buff wins once. They don't give us old folk a chance. How rude. We went out to dinner last night at the Macaroni Grill with Buff, Brett, Katie, Marilyn, & me. Good food, good family. Chad & Erica were going to come but they had this tiny little doctor standing on their shoulder telling them they shouldn't leave the they didn't. After dinner I took Marilyn & Buff over to see the Groneman apartment at BYZoo. We scored some great home made candy so it was worth it. Brett suggested we go see the new batman movie (Dark Knight) at the dollar theater so we did:

MOVIE REVIEW: The Dark Knight
Let me preface this review with the fact that I go to movies to be entertained. To laugh, to be scared, to feel be entertained. Remember I don't like Bambie. I personally didn't like this movie. I like movies where in the battle for good and evil, good prevails and at the end your heart feels good. OR I'm scared and/or tense but in the end the monster gets fried or blown up. There just wasn't a lot of good in this movie. The joker character was pure, more than creepy evil which would have been OK if good won out...but it doesn't. The heroine dies, the really good guy turns bad then is killed, the Joker doesn't die but goes back to jail (where he's proved he likes to be) and batman is stuck with a bad rap. Not exactly a fairy tale ending. The one highlight of this movie is how the ferry incident concludes. Overall through the movie the feeling is dark and evil and the movie ends that way.

Saturday, November 29, 2008

Yeah, Dora Dowee afankgiving yeah mama baytee duwrap toyee... I asked Kiera to tell me about her Thanksgiving trip so I could blog it and that's what you get. Good thing she stopped right there though. She was already giving you guys too much information!

The end of the slideshow is here in Loma Linda. Kiera and her daddy went on a walk and only made it a few houses up before Kiera found the puddle. Afterwards we put up Christmas light around our house (1st time ever in our marriage). Lydia was there to give her stamp of approval--one throw up meant it looked good, two or more throw-ups meant she wanted less milk. Man I practically got a sunburn putting up those lights. I bet those of you in Utah know what I'm going through when you put your lights up too.

Utah vs. BYU revisited

Now that the Cougs got thoroughly trounced by the Utes, the stories are starting to come in. I've heard some stories from people at work who attended the game, and now I read this. (Amanda Dixon is a KSL radio personality.) If you take a few minutes to read through the comments, how many people ignore what she is saying in her post and carry on with the name calling and rude behaviour in their comments I'm just amazed. Hello?!? Didn't they understand what she was saying? Welcome to the new Utah. Happy Valley is no more. It's too bad that my kids didn't get to experience the area as it was when I was growing up. [shaking head] From all the stories I am hearing, they should do away with BYU vs. UTAH football games.

Friday, November 28, 2008

The Groneman Thanksgiving

It was a good day. Got up early and went to work putting up all the trip (floor boards, door trim, ceiling trim) in the downstairs room. Just as I had a couple more pieces to do, Chad & Erica showed up! (Yea!) We played Settlers and it was the closest game of Settlers I've ever played. There were no villages on the board, only cities. Everyone had 9 points and I was going to turn over my last soldier card to win with largest army when Chad pulled out his victory point and won. Erica and Marilyn were also going to win that turn if they got the chance. I think Chad cheated. Buff walked in the door about 4:00 (yea!) and Grandma/Grandpa H showed up about 4:30. The ham was slow to cook so we were about to sit down to eat at 5:30 when Brett/Katie showed up. (Yea!) Buff is still the champion in some of the Wii balance games, but try as she may, she couldn't beat my records in Slalom skiing and Hula Hoop. Of course, by the end of the day I was miserable from gobbling, gobbling, gobbling. I sure missed the Dastrup and Nelson families. I hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.

Thursday, November 27, 2008

Happy Thanksgiving DAY Everybody! I wish we were all together! But we will be celebrating this day with Chad and Erica, Breanna, and my mom and dad.
I have so very much to be grateful for!! I have a sweet husband who shows me every day that he loves me! I have great kids who have found fabulous people to marry, which I can now claim as my own! I have beautiful and sweet Grandchildren, which bring me joy. I have a powerful testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and I am SO VERY GRATEFUL to be a member of this, the Mormon church. It brings me so much peace, and joy, and love and a sense of well being into my life. I am grateful for my knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and that knowledge of who I am, why I am on Earth, and where I will be going in the post Earth life if I live according to the gospel I love. I live in America, where in spite of it's problems, is still the best place on the planet to be living. The Lord has blessed us with riches that couldn't have been even imagined for 99% of the world's history. We have all that we need and much of what we don't need, but enjoy anyway. There is only about 1% of the world currently who can say that! By the world's standards, we are all rich! I pray that all of us, in spite of the commotion and upheavals in the world's financial markets, and the uncertainty that brings, might recognize and thank the great God of Heaven for all that is right with our lives! Never forget that God knows you well and loves you more than you can possibly know! He has given us so much to help us through our trials, if we will turn to him. God loves us, and I LOVE YOU ALL VERY MUCH too! Thanks for bringing such joy to my lives, by who you are and how you live!

Wednesday, November 26, 2008

FINAL Groneman Baby Guess Formula

The Groneman Baby Guess scoring system is now finalized. That means Brett can make his guess. The only alteration from the original scoring system is that the days difference multiplier is now 5.0 instead of 0.5. This is to accommodate the induction date being set one week early. There is a slight modification on when entries must be submitted by, as well. Entries must be submitted before Nov. 30th. Must be 2 or older to put in an entry.

The final scoring system:

((difference in days from date of actual birth) * 5.0) +
((difference in minutes from time of actual birth) * 0.03) +
((difference in ounces from actual birth weight) * 0.7) +
((difference in inches from actual height) * 0.2) +
(if wrong gender then 5.0, otherwise 0)

Note that all previous guesses are currently for after the Dec. 6th induction date. If you don't re-submit, we'll use your original.

Today is Pie Day

Happy Pie Day everyone. Pie day always falls on the day before Thanksgiving. It's the day when pies and other delicious goodies are made in preparation for the Thanskgiving Day Pig Out. To celebrate, watch this short video (then be sure to watch the bloopers available at the end of the video)

Tuesday, November 25, 2008

In case you're interested
Taking a test? Need some answers for your exam? Here are some. (It goes along with today's Calvin & Hobbes)

Change your guesses!

We have an update, and you may want to change your guess on the Groneman Baby.

Erica has a little bit of some high blood pressure, and is partially showing symptoms for a problem associated with that. So, to be on the safe side, the doctors have moved up the induction date to December 6th. For those of you who are unfamiliar with OB/GYN terms, that means our little one will be here on December 6th, almost guaranteed. She may come before then, but not after.

Erica's doing Non-Stress tests twice a week now until then. Why do they call them non-stress tests? I dunno. Our little one appears to be healthy, but the hospital needs to monitor her closely to make sure she's not in trouble while she's in the womb still.

Soo.... Update your baby guesses if desired, and pray for a healthy birth & delivery.
<-- Look over there! It's less than 30 days until the fat man comes!

Monday, November 24, 2008

Neither Christa or I got Mormon Tabernacle Choir Christmas Concert tickets. Did anyone else get them? You can check by taking the confirmation # you were given when you signed up for tickets online, and go to the same location that you went to register, and enter that # and see if you got them or not.
I think that perhaps that they are slow this year mailing them out because of the scalping that was done with tickets people got last year. But I don't know. Just a guess.

Sunday, November 23, 2008


Kiera had a fun birthday. We celebrated it at Steve's parents house and it was immediately before the football game so it was a little overlooked but she still had fun. She got spoiled by her auntie buffalo who gave her 2 cinderella dolls, a talking elmo, Sleeping Beauty DVD, and a princess jacket wtih lights on it (that I had her take back since Kiera was afraid of it). Kiera got a tea set and some other girly toys which are fun to play with.

More on the Nelson Blog.. check it out.

Saturday, November 22, 2008

Get Video Connected

The parental units are officially connected via Google Talk Video. It was fun watching Kiera open presents on her birthday! It's a lot easier than the old MSN video chats. If you have a webcam, get yours set up HERE

From the little sweetheart department:

Happy Birthday Little Kiera! Gramps and Grandma Love You!!!

Friday, November 21, 2008

Well, my capping ceremony was last night....and I got a hat. it was a very funny looking hat and a very short ceremony...only a half hour long. But I guess it's significant somehow. Everyone in my class said that I had the cutest niece (lydia came) and that I talk and look just like my sister (Cambrie was our guest speaker[thanks again cambrie])
oh and also.....
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEIRA!!! A big 2 year old!!!

Advice from Dad - The Economy

If you've been watching the news at all you get an idea that the economy isn't doing to good. I didn't live through the depression but I've known and heard stories from a lot of people that did. I'll get to the point: Get out of debt. Any way, any sacrifice you have to do, do it and EVERY little bit helps. If you can save 20 bucks by cutting out one planned activity, do it. If that means no road trip, no road trip. If that means no new clothes, so be it. Don't take this economic crisis lightly...take it very, very seriously. Be on the lookout for good bargains on food storage items and get them. Investing in the essentials right now could save you a lot of money later when the value of money declines sharply. Last, start saving. Instead of going out to dinner, keep that money in the bank. Bottom line: Don't spend money on things other than necessities.

The bad part of this is that if everyone did this, the crisis would just worsen. It's a no win situation. If just a few people spend in an effort to get the economy going, and it goes down anyway, those folks will be the ones who lose. Be prepared. Don't expect that because all your life things have been rosy that they will stay that way.

Yer mom and I have decided that after Christmas we're going to pretend I've already lost my job and save *every* penny to finish paying off our duplex and start building up our cash reserves. I think this nation is in for a bumpy ride.

My last day of work

I have bittersweet feelings today as it is my last day in the office working for EFY. It's been such a good job for me. I hope I've been a good employee to it. I believe in the purpose of the program and what it can do for the youth and young adults of the church. My friends Lindsay and Dicksy are having a farewell party for me today from 11:30-1:30. We invited whoever I know from the division to come and join us.

It's a good time for me to be done because I have high blood pressure, and that's not good. So it is a blessing. My cute husband brought me some flowers on Monday, which have been brightening my office all week long. On to a new chapter and adventure in my life! Our little girl could come anytime and be full-term! :)

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Starting my new job

Well, as of this Friday, my new job is official. I've already moved into my new office on the top of Novell's tallest building. Here's a phone picture out the window of my office. Nice view. My old office had a window that overlooked the Provo City sewer treatment plant. :) I've already started doing some work in my new job responsibilities and there will be a bit of transition time but I am real excited about it.

Monday, November 17, 2008

The Nelsons are Gmail video-chat ready and I noticed that the Dastrups are as well. Better get with the program if you want to watch Kiera open her birthday presents live.
TURKEY TRIVIA Apparently I don't know mine very well...I got 10 right....but try to beat that anyway and post your score.

Guess chart for Dastrup baby

I thought we had a guess chart for the Dastrup baby...I guess not. So...put your guess in a comment to this entry. For the only written information I can find about the due date, check out this post.

Remember the Groneman Baby Guesses

The criteria and judging standards can be found HERE
Cambrie said...
Kiera is offended that she is the only one in the family who doesn't meet the age criteria.

Cambrie's guess:
Dec 11th 2:25 AM, 6 lbs 8 oz, female. Red hair
Brett said...

My guess is subject to change until the formula is no longer subject to change.

Marilyn said...

Dec 13, 4 am, 6 lbs 5 ounces! (She will want to come then so she can steal the show on your anniversary!
Kim said...

Dec 12, 11:00pm, 6lb-4oz, 19.5 inches, GIRL - I'm so excited!

24 August, 2008 13:26
Christa said...

Dec. 10th, 3:52 pm, 6 lb. 7 oz., 19 inches, girl. You'd better not wrap her birthday presents in Christmas wrap!

24 August, 2008 21:24
Erica said...

I feel a little pressure filling this out, (as if I should know any better than anyone else out there!!) but here is my guess.

December 11th, 3:24 am, 7 lb. 8 oz, 19" long, red fuzz hair (barely visible hair).
Chad said...

December 9th, 4:00 PM, 7 lb. 0 oz., 18" long, red hair, cutest baby girl ever.

Sunday, November 16, 2008

We figured out who Lydia looks like when she has a combover

Alright, so the picture of Lydia obviously isn't from my "earthquake" experience... it's just way cute and I couldn't help but put it up. I took it the other day when I went over to cambrie's/steve's house for dinner. I definately have a new respect for motherhood/homemaking. She had made some delicious buffalo wings (I know i know, how very canibalistic of me to eat them) for dinner all while taking care of 2 FUSSY fussbuckets. I don't know how all you mothers do it.
But the other 2 pictures are me as a "earthquake victim". It was way fun. We got there and they gave us breakfast while we all took turns getting makeup on etc. I was a "lucky" vitim and just had head trauma. Others in my class had poles stiking out of their shoulders and wood shards sticking out of their neck, another had a compound fracture... it was all very realistic had it not been for the fact that all of us had come with our hair perfectly done and they didn't want to make girls upset by messing it up. So anyways, it took awhile for everyone to get their makeup on but then they gave us our assignments and we went on our way. I was assigned to be helping one of my classmates who was on her last dying breath to the ambulance bay screaming that she was dying and we needed help and then to act very confused after she died. They told me I was at disneyland and they were going to take me to see micky to get me to go in the wheelchair and go with them. They put me on a gurney, took my vitals and did a quick assessment on me and then left me there to take a quick nap. afterwards, they gave us lunch and we went on our way. it was a very interesting experience.

Saturday, November 15, 2008


For those of you who do not have children, this is a preview of what you have to look forward to:

Last night I was going to go to bed at 11:30 but decided to wake up Lyida to feed her since she had not eaten in 6 hours and I didn't want to be woken up in an hour to feed her. I guess she wasn't that hungry because after I fed her and put her in her bed she spit up and woke herself up. After putting her to sleep twice more she spit up twice more and then she was awake as could be, smiling and ready to play. At 1:30 she was still just as happy and awake as could be so I decided to put her in her bed and let her cry herself to sleep so that we could get some sleep. She fell asleep after about 15 minutes of crying, however, she apparently woke up Kiera who came in to our room and wanted to sleep with us. Anybody who has ever tried it knows that it is impossible to sleep with a toddler so after about 30 minutes carried her back to her room. 3 minutes later she was tapping my shoulder asking me for some "daddy cereal" (aka: Rice Chex), so after a 2 am snack and taking her back to her bed about 6 times (she just discoved how use doorknobs so shutting the door doesn't work) I finally got her to sleep in her room at about 3:40. Lyida woke up at 6:30 so needless to say I didn't get much sleep.

Yesterday I went diving in the hospital

Although it wasn't the most educational clinical day I've ever had, I got to spend the day with the wound care department of the hospital. Normally, us students are just there to observe in the wound care department. They normally have students just puppy dog someone around as they go change wound vacs, or do dressing changes, or whatever. And normally there's only one student there (if any), but yesterday there was an extra one besides me. So they happened to be doing a hyperbaric "dive" soon and asked if I wanted to join them. Being probably my only opportunity to go on a hyperbaric dive ever, I decided to go. When they found out I had an insulin pump, they said I couldn't go. Then I convinced them to let me go if I just left it off while I was in there. They said, "Sure!" So I did. This is the chamber I went in:

I went in with a tech and one patient. They were very careful about what went in to the chamber. Electronics had to stay out, for fear of ruining them or according to one, the possibility of creating a spark. They checked my clothes to make sure my scrubs weren't all cotton so there wasn't any sparks from the static. Starting a fire in a super-oxygenated high pressure room would be very bad, or blow the thing up (that's bad when that happens). On a medical note, they wanted me to have my blood sugar at least above 100 because they said it drops your blood sugar. Mine was 175 from breakfast still -- they told me to keep it there. I decided to give myself a little insulin just to cover me being off the pump for 2 hours, but not enugh to drop it down much at all over the next two hours. We went in, and they pumped up the pressure and oxygen, and seriously every 2 seconds (or more to avoid pain) for about 5 minutes you had to pop your ears as the pressure went up, or it would start to hurt pretty quick.

It looked kind of like this one on the inside, but bigger, or like this one from the same company. When we got up to the right pressure, and started talking, our voices all sounded a lot higher -- like the inhaling helium thing. The air was warm and thick. Then we kicked back and watched a movie for the next 2 hours which was not of my choosing, nor will it be in the future. But I'm not trying to critique movies here. Their headphones that they used to watch the movie weren't electronic -- they just had hollow air sound tubes connecting to somewhere else that made the sound. When they brought the pressure back down after 2 hours, again, there was lots of popping of the ears and we had to wear oxygen masks and the room got really cold. I checked my blood sugar again and it dropped to 50. They weren't kidding that it drops your blood sugar. So they gave me oreos and they all had some too in sympathy.

They even gave me a water bottle. A nice one.

Not my usual clinical day. I thought it was fun. There is about 12 chairs in their hyperbaric movie theatre. Now we just need them to sell us tickets and do a family night in there or something.

Friday, November 14, 2008

Baby Groneman Update

The dr appt went well today. My blood pressure is lower now and he's not too concerned (we had to go back in today because at my Tuesday appt--which I was late for--my blood pressure was high). I had a contraction while he was checking the baby's heartbeat, but I'm still not really able to tell (except when I'm walking around!). He said he's pretty sure her head is down, so that's good. I have a feeling this little one is going to come sooner than later, even though we did set the induction date for December 20th (not going to happen, I just know it). So, all is going well so far! :) Chad and I would like her to stay in the oven for at least another week (that would be nice, especially since my last day of work is next Friday, the 21st), but the doctor said if she came today, she'd probably come home with mommy from the hospital, so that's good to hear. There's no indication she'll be coming in the next week, but she's getting ready to come sometime in the next month. For some reason, I think it would be great if she had a first week of December birthday. Chad is going for November 30th.

So, there's that. Things are good here. Chad put the car seat in the car yesterday, and we're packing the hospital bag today, so we're getting there slowly but surely. Still need to do the nursery, but little by little we're making progress.
Yesterday wasn't the greatest of days for the Dastrups, but it wasn't the worst either. First of all, just as I was arriving home from an OB appointment, smoke/steam started billowing out from under the hood of our van (aka the Time Bomb, for obvious reasons). I'm no mechanic, but after to talking to one on the phone, it sounds like it's probably a radiator problem. We've got our fingers crossed because we have set a limit as to what we think is wise to put into that old monster to repair it. We'll probably know later on today whether the Time Bomb will continue to tick or not.

I'm currently counting down the minutes until I can take Benjamin to preschool so I can get a nap because I was in the hospital until 2:30 am with contractions coming every 2 1/2 minutes. They gave me a shot of terbutaline (sp?), which calmed them for a bit, but then they came back again. They let me go, though, because the fetal fibronectin test came back negative. That means that despite the contractions, there is almost no chance that I will be having this baby in the next 7-10 days. That's a relief! I'm still having contractions this morning, but so far they are not regular. I don't have to worry about them unless they are.

(This was in my email, so it was probably in everyone else's too...but if someone didn't get it, I thought I should put it on here, since everyone is waiting for news...) Sounds like we should pray for the car too!!

President of Equador

Well, if you are a facebook user, you already have seen the picture of me with the President of Equador. Well, he's the past President.
He was President while Cambrie was there. Very smart and charismatic man. Before the conference began I was just sitting chatting with him at a table, not knowing who he was...then he was introduced as the keynote speaker. I had no clue I was talking with an ex head of state. Anyway, he stayed for the 3 day conference and we had a chance to talk more since I was sitting next to him. What a unique and interesting experience.

Thursday, November 13, 2008

Nursing School Life

Cambrie may be the only one to really appreciate this post, but I'm posting it anyway.

It's nice to start seeing a light-bulb in the middle of the tunnel-of-school. After going to college for almost 11 semesters, I'm getting fairly close to getting my. . . two year degree. Yep. Two years. Associates. Oh well. I'm glad that I'm well into the program I want to be in now and going where I want to go. I've still got 4-6 years of school to go after I "graduate" this upcoming April.

Next semester is my last semester of the RN program at UVSC. I'll get my RN and get to start working as such, and make notably more money than I do now, which will be nice for paying for school and, you know, paying for stuff -- all while getting more work experience along with school experience. Then, depending on who accepts me and other factors, I'll be trying to go to either UVSC or BYUI (online) for their BSN program for 2 more years. I talked to one person in my RN program who is a semester ahead of me, and she described my next semester as "you'll feel like it's a waste of your time." As in, it should be hopefully easier than the past semesters.

A big part of next semester is the "independent preceptorship" part, which we got to choose after class today. What that means is that for 8-12 shifts (depending on how long we choose to stay) we are teamed up with an RN and we essentially do everything as if we were working. For free. Actually, we're paying to work there. The official RN is there to ask questions and get help should we need it. Anyhow, at school, they randomly assigned us the order for who got preference of where they went. I ended up choosing the "PRN pool" at Utah Valley Regional Medical Center. Not my first choice, but still a pretty good choice. My first choices were IMC (Intermediate care -- step up from ICU), or ER (a popular choice). The PRN pool at the hospital is a group of the nursing staff who have no home area they work in. Every day they go somewhere else in the hospital and work where they are needed. That means I'll get to see more of the hospital than anyone else and have more experience doing more things than anyone. I do appreciate consistency, but for a temporary experience where I've got another RN there to back me up and ask questions to anyway, I might as well take advantage of it.

The few; the proud; the male nursing population.
Be jealous. Be very jealous.

This post seems like a journal entry. And I didn't even cheat and do a copy-paste thing from some sort of journal either. Oh well.

There's your update on my life.

So I noticed that gmail now has video chat available. So for you computer inclined people, does that mean that we who have the logitec webcams can use them for gmail video chat?

Christa just tried to post this, but for some reason, it got "eaten". So I have their blessing to let you all know that Christa spent the night last night with pre-term labor in the hospital. She was having contractions 2 to 3 minutes apart. They gave her some drugs to get it stopped, and this morning she was able to come home. She is resting now. Brigham's folks are going down this weekend ...for a visit/and if necessary to help out. I am available (they know) if they need someone for longer. Hopefully, that won't be necessary. I am sure all of you will join me in prayer that she will not have anymore abnormally early contractions. We want this baby in January...for many reasons...most of all for the well being of that little guy!
Yesterday wasn't the greatest of days for the Dastrups, but it wasn't the worst either. First of all, just as I was arriving home from an OB appointment, smoke/steam started billowing out from under the hood of our van (aka the Time Bomb, for obvious reasons). I'm no mechanic, but after to talking to one on the phone, it sounds like it's probably a radiator problem. We've got our fingers crossed because we have set a limit as to what we think is wise to put into that old monster to repair it. We'll probably know later on today whether the Time Bomb will continue to tick or not.

I'm currently counting down the minutes until I can take Benjamin to preschool so I can get a nap because I was in the hospital until 2:30 am with contractions coming every 2 1/2 minutes. They gave me a shot of terbutaline (sp?), which calmed them for a bit, but then they came back again. They let me go, though, because the
fetal fibronectin test came back negative. That means that despite the contractions, there is almost no chance that I will be having this baby in the next 7-10 days. That's a relief! I'm still having contractions this morning, but so far they are not regular. I don't have to worry about them unless they are.

Interesting article

I found this article about an ancient temple interesting. I think they're on to something, even if they're wrong about a thing or two.

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

So 2 nights ago, I actually did something social... the first time in about 5 months that I have besides going to church and break the fast. It was only for an hour or so but It was very fun. So me and my roommates and a guyfriend that had come over were all out boiling in our apt. hot tub when someone mentioned how fun it would be to have the hot tub filled with bubbles... well we all got that evil gleam in our eyes and went and some liquid soap and put it in.
It took awhile but eventually the hot tub was filled with bubbles and we proceeded to have a whole lot of fun. Oh and just to let you all know, for school tomorrow, I get to be a earthquake victim/patient. We were instructed today during class that we were to all show up at one of our clinical sites in grubby street clothes and that we are going to be assigned symptoms etc and have fake blood on us like we were in a earthquake. The hospital staff is then going to proceed in how they would take care of us in a emergency situation. I guess that this is a drill that they have every year or so....and we get to be the patients. I'll probably take pictures and post them up later.

Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Digital TV

To help with your conversion to Digital TV, watch this video (you'll like it...really you will)

Oh...and you need to watch this ward talent show rendition of synchronized swimming

Oh...and I want to share my point of view too: Be good.

Monday, November 10, 2008

Another Point of View

Another Point of View

With everyone else up on soap boxes, I was starting to feel a little left out, so I thought I'd get up on one, too. It's just a slightly different one. Let me start by saying I support what the First Presidency has said 100%. I also realize that I don't live in a state that has been affected by protesters and therefore don't understand exactly how it is for those of you who do. All I know is that I feel strongly that the minute we starting calling those who are picketing for their rights names and painting them out to be horrible people doing a terrible thing, that we have stooped to below their level. We know the truth and how we should conduct ourselves. They are not so fortunate. And the truth is that if I didn't know via the First Presidency that gender is an eternal thing and about the importance of bringing children into the world, I would say, "Why not let gay people enjoy the same rights that we do? That seems fair." Brigham brought up an interesting point in our discussion the other night. Remember all of the persecution that was heaped upon the church back when polygamy was in because we were deviating from the traditional marriage? Obviously the difference is that the Lord commanded it, but it seems hypocritical to criticize people for standing up for what they feel is right when it comes to marriage, just like our people did hundreds of years ago.

One last point: maybe each of you knows a gay or lesbian person already, and this point isn't necessary, but I'll make it anyway. GAY PEOPLE ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. One of Brigham's fellow medical students at Hopkins was a lesbian, and she was one of the nicest, most Christ-like people that I have ever known. Yes-- Christ-like. When we were going through the hardest time of our lives after Jacob was born, she was right there with a thoughtful card, sweet email, bucket of goodies, etc. She showed far more love and compassion than the majority of our LDS friends and family members. Was she a horrible person because she was a lesbian? Absolutely not. She was a wonderful person who wasn't fortunate enough to know what we know. And if I didn't know what I do, I probably would have voted to give her the right to experience whatever happiness she could in life. So how can I blame people for doing just that and fighting to give people like this girl the same rights I enjoy? Just keep that in mind as you see all of those protesters. They are not bad people trying to take your rights away. They are just fighting for what they think is fair and right. They deserve our compassion, not our anger.
Oh, no! Here comes mom on the soapbox again! Someone sent this to me, and I think it is a good reminder for times such as we live in.
"Make no mistake about it, brothers and sisters, in the months and years ahead, events are likely to require each member to decide whether or not he will follow the First Presidency. Members will find it more difficult to halt longer between two opinions. President Marion G. Romney said, many years ago, that he had 'never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional or political life..'"This is hard doctrine, but it is particularly vital doctrine in a society which is becoming more wicked. In short, brothers and sisters, not being ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ includes not being ashamed of the prophets of Jesus Christ. . . . Your discipleship may see the time when such religious convictions are discounted. . . . This new irreligious imperialism seeks to disallow certain opinions simply because those opinions grow out of religious convictions."Resistance to abortion will be seen as primitive. Concern over the institution of the family will be viewed as untrendy and unenlightened...."Before the ultimate victory of the forces of righteousness, some skirmishes will be lost. Even in these, however, let us leave a record so that the choices are clear, letting others do as they will in the face of prophetic counsel."There will also be times, happily, when a minor defeat seems probable, but others will step forward, having been rallied to rightness by what we do. We will know the joy, on occasion, of having awakened a slumbering majority of the decent people of all races and creeds which was, till then, unconscious of itself."Jesus said that when the fig trees put forth their leaves, 'summer is nigh.' Thus warned that summer is upon us, let us not then complain of the heat."From "A More Determined Discipleship" by Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Presidency of the First Quorum of the Seventy. An address delivered at Brigham Young University, 10 October 1978.

See how these crowds protesting around our temples fits into the following:
"1Nephi 14:13-4 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth among all of the nations of the gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God. 14 ...I beheld the power of the Lamb of God that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord,...and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory."

The Family Phone Shuffle 2008

I'd just email this info out, but seeing as it involves most people that read this blog, I'll just post it on here instead. Yes, it even potentially involves you Dastrups if you want. Details below.

The issue:

Chad, Cambrie, Steve, Breanna, and I are all on the same AT&T family plan -- we get better prices the more people we have on a plan -- and we all get to enjoy my 15% discount for being a UVSC student. They only allow 5 people on a shared family plan at one time, which means we're at the max. Erica's phone is no more (or is soon to be no more) and she would like to join the family plan, with Chad naturally. Katie's Verizon contract ends at the beginning of January, and it would be cheaper for her to go to AT&T than to stay with Verizon, so she'd like to join the shared family plan too. That means we're going to have to split the shared plan into two shared plans.

For those of you who have been involved in the discussion on this in the past, we have a lot more options now. We called up AT&T and found out it's really not ridiculously expensive like they told Chad it was before. Yes, there's a fees involved in adding a couple of lines, which I think should be paid for by the two Groneman couples (as we're the ones adding the lines). I think there might be another fee ($30?) involved in starting an entirely new shared account, which fee could be spread out among us all, as we're all going to be wanting to continue to enjoy the price benefits of a discounted shared plan no matter how we split it. I'm open to further discussion on the topics though depending on what we decide to do with it.

So the question is, how do we split up the phone plans??

We're hoping that no matter how we split it, we can keep the discounts on both plans. I'm eligible for 2 discounts. The original plan can keep the 15% discount, and we just won't tell them that I'm the UVSC student, and I can go on to the new plan and get another 14% discount for being an IHC employee.

Option 1: Dastrups Join Forces.

I actually had a new idea this morning that involves the Dastrups and might provide a better price for everyone, including the Dastrups if they want to join in. Dastrups, I have no idea what your cel-phone situation is like. I know you use AT&T. If you're not on a family plan already with Brigham's family, and if your cell phones aren't work-provided through Brigham, what do you think about Katie and me joining forces with you in your shared plan? You'd get the lower price from having a shared family plan, a 14% discount from me being an IHC employee, and just the awesomeness of knowing that the famous Katie and Brett are on your cel-phone plan. In short, you wouldn't be paying as much as you are now for your cel-phone. The bill comes and we figure out the fair way to split up the bill, and each pay our share. And I dont think it would be fair to involve the Dastrups in the shuffling-stuff-around-fees I talked about splitting up in the paragraph above as they haven't been enjoying this family discount plan we all have been.

What that means for everyone else is that you'd keep all five of you on the original plan and get the maximum discount possible 'cause you'd have all 5 on the plan, plus my totally awesome 15% discount from UVSC.

Option 2: Region-based cell-phone plans.

Chad, Erica, Katie, and I stay on one plan, and the Californians split off on another cel-phone plan. I'd be very surprised if between the 3 Californians and their 3 schools, if there wasn't some similar 15% discount available to you through one of those. Check with AT&T or the school(s).

Option 3: Brett and Katie start new plan.

This would happen in January probably as that's when my contract ends with AT&T, and when Katie's contract ends with Verizon. At that point, Katie and I would start our own shared plan, and we'd assimilate either Cambrie and Steve, or Breanna to even out the pricing discounts as much as possible for everyone. Meanwhile, Erica has no phone and uses Chad's phone, while Chad buys a Cricket phone for 1 1/2 months.

Personally, I like option 1 the best, but that's of course dependant on if the Dastrups can or want to do something like that. Thoughts everyone?

Sunday, November 09, 2008

So today was stake conference and I got to go to church with the nelsons. It was a very distracting meeting for me having 2 cute neices to hold and play with. Afterwards, I went over to the nelsons and had a tasty shnoodle dinner with them. Lydia is all bundled up because it was 60* outside today....very chilly california weather. It's been a very good day so far. But right now there is some prop 8 protesters that decided to come to the temple right next to our was kind of dumb of them thought because they went at 4pm after all the meetings were already out....and it's not like the redlands temple is right in the middle of the city like the LA or SLC their not really protesting to anyone.....just the surrouning palm trees and orange groves. Not very smart of them.
I'm really glad I didn't have to work today because I guess once a year, the "Bikers" come and bring lots of things for the kids like toys and batteries, clothes, etc. "Bikers" meaning the big burly guys you see riding down the freeway on their big huge motorcycles. It's really nice of them to do that and all but it's this big crazy event.....well, i'm just glad i'm not there today.
Anyways, thats the "excitement" of my life and I hope you enjoy some of the pictures we took today at the nelsons.

Interesting. Breanna and I were discussing this very subject this last week.
Today in Relief Society class, we were discussing the last days. Our teacher had a bunch of the signs of the last days scattered on the board, and she asked us to organize them according to if it is something that has already happened, is happening now, or is yet to happen. There were a couple of women in the group that wanted to put "the moon turned to blood" and "the sun darkened"in the has happened already column. Several of us said naw! But one outspoken sister said that according to President Hinckley it has already happened...that right after 9/11 he spoke and said that it had been fulfilled. So of course I came home and looked up his first talk at general conference right after 9/11 to see for myself. So here it is:

The era in which we live is the fulness of times spoken of in the scriptures, when God has brought together all of the elements of previous dispensations. From the day that He and His Beloved Son manifested themselves to the boy Joseph, there has been a tremendous cascade of enlightenment poured out upon the world. The hearts of men have turned to their fathers in fulfillment of the words of Malachi. The vision of Joel has been fulfilled wherein he declared:

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

"And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

"And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call" (Joel 2:28–32).

So, there you have it. Somehow, I thought it would be more dramatic and obvious. But I did see pictures of the moon through all the smoke of the twin towers destruction that were red, and the sun was darkened (if you lived in that area) and there were definitely pillars of smoke. So there you go!
One thing that was discussed in Gospel Doctrine today. The events of this past week, of the protests around the LA and SLC temples, along with the threats and anger against all the Mormons and Mormon church for standing in the way of Gay marriage being validated in California, when I saw the protests on TV, the Spirit told me that things were going to become worse in the future, and several people in our class voiced the same conviction. As evil continues to become more of a dominant force, and their numbers increase, persecution will pick up against the church and church members, as it has in the past. The promise is still there though, that "All of thy children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of thy children"We also know that there will be a great winnowing, a separation of the Godly from the un Godly. It is certainly easy to see how it will happen, not only on Prop 8, but other issues that will certainly arise in the future. But we can have peace in troubled times. If we are following the prophet, we can still have peace, when the world rages about us, if we have our own testimony of the gospel and follow the prophet. If in the end, you know that your choices that you are making will take you to exaltation and Eternal Life, then what happens here, isn't really all that important. This life is so temporary, but so eternally consequential. You kids are going to have to be ever so diligent and precise in doing ALL that the brethren suggest to do to raise children in righteousness though. There will be no peace for anyone in your family if you lose your children to Satans influence. But I have no worries. You kids have testimonies, and are valiant. You are the chosen generation saved for this time because the Lord knew you were up to the task of raising your children in righteousness. But I know, it will take Deliberate and DILIGENT effort to succeed .

Just thought you might find that prophecy fulfilled interesting.
7 random things eh?
1 When I was about 3, I was hit with a swing in the nose and it nearly came off, according to what I was told. They stitched it back on.
2 In college, your dad and I were in a social dance class together and we were doing the swing. Keep in mind, my hair was past my waist...well, he was pulling me through his legs, except his balance shifted as I went under, stepping on my hair. When I stood up a great glob of my hair now went down to my knees...yes it pulled right out. THAT was a headache for the rest of the day! Never did that move again.
3 I got married on my first date, and then married for real the same guy 5 years later.
4 I was missing 9 teeth...just never were there.
5 I got A's in High School and B's in college (along with some A's)
6 I was traumatized for an entire year in Kindergarten because our classroom was the only one that didn't have a miniature playhouse in it with cupboards dishes etc. Never quite got over it.
7 I was a real tomboy in elementary school. I ran the fastest, won ribbons in "square-ball", whooped everyone at tether ball... and played basketball and football with my brother and his friends after school.
OK, I am waiting with interest to see what the rest of ya'll put!

a few tidbits

Kiera is officially in to pricesses (specifically Cinderella). Buff gave her a princess doll which she calls her "pesess". She also enjoys dressing up-- but only in shoes. Shoes are what makes a person beautiful in Kiera's world. She likes her sunday shoes and her red shoes.

Kiera has little Elmo doll that she put a "necklace" on. The funny thing about the necklace however is the fact that it makes elmo look very gangster/gothic since it is black leather and has silver star studs (much like a spiky dog colar or something). It is a bracelet we inherited from someone and Kiera has decided that Elmo is going to wear it as a necklace perminantly. Gothic elmo.

Kiera discovered her shadow the other day. Yep, you guessed it-- she was afraid of it and wanted me to make it go away.

I was cruising the internet at 3am last night and discovered something that I thought was quite interesting. I believe I blogged about the fact that the doctors that wrote up my hyperemesis case study won some sort of award that gave them $ to go present it at some big convention in florida. Well, I looked it up because I was interested and found this (if you want to find it it's on page 40, P-150) which shows that the case study was one of 1122 studies presented at the confrence and that it won 2 awards: 2008 ACG Presidential Poster Award h 2008 ACG / AstraZeneca Clinical Vignette Award.
Sometimes I feel a bit helpless in my position of knowing the absolute cure for the symptoms of hyperemesis and not being able to get the information out to people. I frequent a online support group and information sight and read some of the forums. Most women with hyperemeis don't have it as bad as I did my first pregnancy, but there are still quite a few across the country who do and I cry when I read that they abort pregnancies because they can't tolerate the hyperemesis and NONE of the medications help. I HAVE THE ANSWER!! I KNOW THE CURE! But the trouble is that in my lowly status of RN I have no way of getting this information out to people. Everyone Claims to have the cure..."just keep saltines with you all the time and sip ginger tea... it worked for me!". There aer women aborting pregnancies every day due to hyperemesis and I am determined to find a way to get the information out there. So, off I go to write letters/emails to websites, reasearch programs, doctors, etc.. I don't have the power to help women with hyperemesis, but I can find someone who does.

Cambrie Tagged Me

Ok Punkin', here goes....7 random facts about me.

1 - I wore glasses all my life until I had lasik a few years ago
2 - I married my high school sweetheart who wrote me off while I was on my mission
3 - I can' say or I have to kill you...and I have to kill whoever tells, so be afraid Cambrie
4 - I got a college degree (associate) *after* I had 4 kids
4a - I was a B student in High School, a straight A student in college
5 - I spent my summers as a kid working on my aunt's farm in Idaho because I had three older sisters and my dad thought I should experience living with boys
6 - I have a soft spot in my heart for mentally disabled folk, especially kids
7 - I remember a ceremony at the local elementary school to retire the flag with 48 stars and replace it with one that had 50 stars in 1959

Tag - You're it. Now YOU have to blog 7 random facts about you.

Friday, November 07, 2008

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Thursday, November 06, 2008

It's all good!

I had an ultrasound today to check the amniotic fluid level (since I ran out with both of my other boys), and fortunately everything looks good! Hooray!! It was fun to see our baby again. We even saw that he has some hair! I've never seen that on an ultrasound before. Right now he is breech, but he still has plenty of time to flip around. He's measuring a little ahead in his size-- his measurements placed his due date around Jan. 21st. It's still not enough to change the offical due date, but it's interesting anyway.

Kim takes a new job

I've been working in the Novell Technical Services group since I started. I've been running the Novell Forums for years. I've been running their support/training/consulting web site as well as manage a team of web developers the last couple of years. I've always worked *with* the Novell marketing department and now they want me to be an official marketing dweeb and manage all Novell communities (forums, facebook, myspace, blogs, wikis, etc. etc.). I accepted. I take the forums/SysOps with me but leave behind the rest of what I have been doing so I can concentrate on this. We'll see how it goes. As long as it pays the bills, right?

Wednesday, November 05, 2008

YEAAAAAAAY! According to KSL TV news California's Propostion 8 passed, by 52% for votes cast. The absentee ballots have not all been counted, but it looks like gays aren't going to ruin our religious freedom anytime really soon. What a relief!

Political / Judicial / Media Commentary

While some tallying is still going on in some places, yesterday's elections are over as far as I'm concerned.

I wish to briefly point out the inconsistency of having the Electoral College. Obama has 65% of the Electoral College votes. Yet he only got 53% of the popular vote. That's still enough for him to win, but I think it's obvious that not every vote is equal to one vote. Some votes count more than others, depending on where you live. I have a great deal more commentary on this issue, however, I wish to comment on a different issue.

Proposition 8 in California has passed, or at least there should be nothing that prevents it from passing now. There may be a re-count or something, but the current statistics have it passing by 4.4%. That's a pretty slim margin, but still enough that it's near impossible to overturn that, when 96.4% of the precincts have reported. It's passed.

California's official results site is now just showing raw text, but earlier in the day (before their servers were getting slammed) they had a nice map where you could see what counties voted what way, and hover over them to see the statistics for each individual county. It was interesting that the Opposition to Proposition 8 was strongly centered around the San Francisco Bay area. That's no surprise. What took be by surprise (pleasingly) was that Los Angeles County was in favor of Proposition 8, if only by a small percentage. It really was just the cities of the Bay area and some of the surrounding counties that were strongly opposed to Proposition 8. That group lost narrowly.

If they had just a few more on their side, Proposition 8 would have failed. That would have set up other measures to fail in other areas of the country as well. That small liberal group of Californians would have had such a great influence on the rest of the country's court systems. It's not right. The nation, as a whole, is opposed to allowing same sex couples to have the distinction of an official Marriage. Not because we "hate" them, as they claim, but because that's not what Marriage is.

What if California had a system similar to the electoral college for their voting? It's been my observation that areas with big cities are awarded more "Votes that Count". Would proposition 8 have passed? I think not. The group that was opposed to it is in some of the more populated areas of California. It's a good thing that Garlic Farmer Joe's vote counts as much as the Mayor of San Francisco.

On a slightly related subject, I was disappointed with how obviously biased the mainstream media was during this election season. They're always biased, but I feel they went beyond biases and were flat out pushing their own agendas during this election. Obama won fairly; I don't dispute that. I do think the media helped him a great deal though. I was also very disappointed with how CNN is currently portraying the passing of Proposition 8: "If passed, the measure would trump a May 2008 ruling by the California Supreme Court that legalized same-sex marriage." They don't mention that it was the Supreme Court of California that overturned an earlier vote by the people of that state. The wording is such to make it sound like Proposition 8 is taking away from something that is legal. Which is technically true, but only because the Supreme Court of California re-wrote the law according to how 5 of the 9 judges saw fit. This IS how the system is supposed to work. People ask their lawmakers to pass laws. Sometimes those laws go to public vote. Assuming they pass public vote, those laws can be contested in court, and the Supreme Court can overrule them, IF it is based on constitutional rights. When that happens, the recourse for the people is to modify the constitution. This is the check and balance system. This is what currently exists to prevent the judicial system from being all-powerful. It's difficult (and thus rare) for people to pass a constitutional amendment to force the courts to interpret the constitution the way the people want, but that is what happened today. The courts cannot overturn their constitutions. They have to base their decisions on the constitution. Proposition 8 is a victory of the people over their government. That is what the founding fathers had in mind when they built it into the system. That is freedom prevailing. Proposition 8 should be celebrated by the media as democracy in action - Where people have the power, not the government. But no, our mainstream media does not want people to have control, even if they publicly state otherwise. They want their agendas pushed. Right now those agendas are socialist agendas, and who knows what else.

I congratulate the people of California for their victory.

Groneman name

Sometimes it helps to have friends from all around the world. When I do genealogy searches I search on "Groneman" or, knowing my ancestors changed it when they came from Denmark, search on "Gronemann". I know the origin is from Germany but I have no genealogy that goes back that far. I was talking to one of my German friends today who said that Groneman sounds very German but all he knows is people in Germany named "Grohnemann" Cool...I never knew the name likely had an H in it once upon a time. A new piece of the puzzle to work with and a new spelling to search on. Too bad Christensen is such a common name...that side of me is a lot harder to do any research on.

Oh..and I just have to put this recipe on the blog because he said that if I like Sauerbraten with Spaetzel, I would LOVE this recipe and this recipe.

Tuesday, November 04, 2008

I VOTED , and it only took me about 2 minutes in here's to thank all of those people who went out early to vote and stood in lines for 2 hours before today, so that I would not have to!! Three cheers for them!

It's Snowing!

I just went for a walk to get some fresh air. It was raining when I started. It quickly turned into sleet, but I kept going. By the time I got back, it was full-on snowing! Big flakes and all!

Do you know what that means? It means that Baby Groneman is going to be here soon. I'd like to see her on the 30th of this month.

By the way, what's the deal for Thanksgiving this year? What should Erica and I plan to bring? We should find out soon, so we can ramp up and practice making whatever it is at least once before the real deal.

Monday, November 03, 2008

This past weekend Laura and Carrol Barlow came and stayed with us which Laura went to auditions in LA. She is a clothing designer. Pictures to come later.

Today I went to see the dentist for the first time in 5 years. I was sure that I'd have 10 fillings or so (especially since I literally did not brush my teeth for MONTHS while I was pregnant with Kiera and was vomiting on them constantly). However, the dentist said I was cavity free. Personally, I think he was under-diagnosing me since I'm a medi-caid patient. Oh well-- I guess they would have fixed anything major though. As of next year Steve will be my dentist from now on.

Sunday, November 02, 2008


The park south of us usually has a few edible mushrooms in the springtime. However, Saturday when Marilyn and I were walking there, a plethora of these mushrooms had sprung up from slight rain and warm weather...more at once than we had ever seen before. Anyway...we filled our pockets and have lots of mushrooms to eat! The curious side effect of these types of mushrooms is that if you drink alcohol within 3 days of eating these, you get violently ill. Dang.

ATV to Cascade Springs

Don't drown Brett!Yesterday we took advantage of the nice warm weather. Katie, Brett, and I took the ATVs up AF canyon and rode them over the back trails to Cascade Springs. Click HERE for the pictures.

And the most common person in our family is

Yea, yea....Cambrie. Sure.. just go show us all up like that. Commoner. Brigham's score is right up there too!
1    Cambrie Nelson                1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   100.0000%
54 Brigham Dastrup 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 47.5734%
152 Kim Groneman 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 23.1274%
173 Chad Groneman 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 19.1826%
663 Brett Groneman 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 3
707 Christa Dastrup 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 8 1
1082 Erica Groneman 1 1 1 2 1 2 6 1 1 1
+ 193 more entries below the 90% cut-off point.

I'm assuming Marilyn, Katie, Buff, Steve are one of those 193 because I KNOW they wouldn't leave us high and dry. Comon...I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to click on THIS LINK and enter November's contest.
A very happy Halloween was had here in Albuquerque. Jacob discovered that he could gnaw through boxes and wrappers to get the goods inside, and after that he would NOT leave his treat bag alone! His class worked all week practicing wearing costumes and trick-or-treating, and although you may laugh, it was a good thing! He HATED the ward trunk-or-treat that we had at the beginning of the week (and actually gagged himself and threw up in the middle of the parking lot to get out of it-- it's a memory that I'm trying to repress) but actually did great trick-or-treating Halloween night!

Benjamin was an awesome Spiderman once again, and this year he was brave enough to wear the mask! He designed and carved his own pumpkin which we lovingly call "the chainsaw massacre."

One last comment-- I cannot BELIEVE the haul of candy that my kids got in an hour of trick-or-treating! Back in my day (when we had to trick-or-treat going uphill both ways jumping from fence post to fence post through the blinding snow to get our candy) we could trick or treat all night and only get a fraction of what my kids got in an hour! And back then at least half of it consisted of dum-dums, Smarties, and Sweethearts. I could count the number of those treats that my kids got on one hand! Lots of houses here just passed out bags of candy-- little Halloween bags with lots of candy bars and goods inside. What is this world coming to?

Saturday, November 01, 2008

Congratulations to me

I'd like to congratulation myself on being FIRST at brainbashers. Yes yes, I am the mostest commonestest.
For those of you who are fasting, could I remind you to pray for the God fearing and worshipping people of America, and especially California, to get out to vote. Buffy says that there is sure a big push in California against Proposition 8 (the gay marriage thing). I am sure you have heard about the church has for it, for which they are getting lots of static. This take a petition to church headquarters to try to get the brethren to drop the churches stance for Prop 8 is a joke! Obviously, they don't realize that our Prophet actually talks to God, and that Pres Monson isn't going to bow to public pressure, even if 99% of the public was for gay marriage! Anyway, if prayers were ever warranted to try preserve America as a good place to live, it is NOW! I think we really need to unite and give this prayer our hearts!